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Fox News Blasphemy Challenge
Fox's John Kasich interviews atheist Brian Flemming about the Blasphemy Challenge.
Jan 29, 2007 7:13 PM
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if atheists dont believe in god why are they so obsessed with Him, Her, It, whatever.
it just seems like athiest is a synonym for self-rightous douchebag with their head way too far up their own ass to realize no one actually wants to hear their opinion on something they claim to know as fact, and that's also synonomous with fundamentalist.
why not start the agnostic challenge where we get people to video tape themselves telling everyone to just calm the fuck down and get over themselves.
it just seems like athiest is a synonym for self-rightous douchebag with their head way too far up their own ass to realize no one actually wants to hear their opinion on something they claim to know as fact, and that's also synonomous with fundamentalist.
why not start the agnostic challenge where we get people to video tape themselves telling everyone to just calm the fuck down and get over themselves.
By: raubhi
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"No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God." -George HW Bush
By: jaxon
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Since when has anyone cared what Bush said?
Seriously, though, this is ridiculous. It's just plain stupid. "Come on, kiddies, I'll give you a DVD if you'll record yourself on your webcams saying you don't believe in God".
It's just plain retarded. Not cause of the religious aspects of the situation, but cause it's just a stupid cause.
And the "mental torture" stuff is ridiculous.
Uh oh. It's torture for the little kiddies to have to eat their vegetables despite not liking them cause if they don't, they won't be healthy.
Let's have them all record themselves saying they hate veggies and we'll give them DVDs.
Granted, the situation isn't exactly the same, but either way, it's just dumb.
Seriously, though, this is ridiculous. It's just plain stupid. "Come on, kiddies, I'll give you a DVD if you'll record yourself on your webcams saying you don't believe in God".
It's just plain retarded. Not cause of the religious aspects of the situation, but cause it's just a stupid cause.
And the "mental torture" stuff is ridiculous.
Uh oh. It's torture for the little kiddies to have to eat their vegetables despite not liking them cause if they don't, they won't be healthy.
Let's have them all record themselves saying they hate veggies and we'll give them DVDs.
Granted, the situation isn't exactly the same, but either way, it's just dumb.
By: squeakytoad
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if you're giving examples of any modern politician as why you're so vocal about your religious beliefs, i'd like to invite you to pull your head out of your ass and realize that if these 'people' believed in any type of thereafter involving punishment or reward we wouldnt have wars or a large amount of homeless or starving people. they're only using religion to convince the gullible, as always.
all that said, having a religion in no way makes you stupid, gullible, unevolved, or what ever. also being an athiest in absolutely no way makes you intelligent, wise, or in anyway better than anyone else. it also doesnt give you the right to take advantage of the bold function.
all that said, having a religion in no way makes you stupid, gullible, unevolved, or what ever. also being an athiest in absolutely no way makes you intelligent, wise, or in anyway better than anyone else. it also doesnt give you the right to take advantage of the bold function.
By: raubhi
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Crusade, Jihad, Milhemet Mitzvah? Any of these ringing a bell?
By: squeakytoad
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"if atheists dont believe in god why are they so obsessed with Him, Her, It, whatever."
why? because xtian beliefs are encoded into american laws and forced upon EVERYBODY. think: BLUE LAWS. maybe i want to buy a car on sunday. or maybe i want to buy liquor on sunday and NOT have to go to a bar and get liquored up, and then have to DRIVE HOME all buzzed, WHEN I COULD HAVE JUST PURCHASED THE STUFF FROM A STORE. but no! if its sunday, the XTIANS decided to control my american right to buy alcohol on sunday of all things.
you know, old american law used to forbid dancing on sunday. OR EVEN WHISTLING WHILE WALKING DOWN THE STREET. you'd go to jail for it.
THATS WHY! thats why atheists have issues (not only with false gods, but) with the people who use religion to work politics against a disbeliever's will.
for the love of god, keep you damn wrathful warlording god out of my life. period.
why? because xtian beliefs are encoded into american laws and forced upon EVERYBODY. think: BLUE LAWS. maybe i want to buy a car on sunday. or maybe i want to buy liquor on sunday and NOT have to go to a bar and get liquored up, and then have to DRIVE HOME all buzzed, WHEN I COULD HAVE JUST PURCHASED THE STUFF FROM A STORE. but no! if its sunday, the XTIANS decided to control my american right to buy alcohol on sunday of all things.
you know, old american law used to forbid dancing on sunday. OR EVEN WHISTLING WHILE WALKING DOWN THE STREET. you'd go to jail for it.
THATS WHY! thats why atheists have issues (not only with false gods, but) with the people who use religion to work politics against a disbeliever's will.
for the love of god, keep you damn wrathful warlording god out of my life. period.
By: novaspecific
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Why must I pay more than my fair share of taxes? When churches, synagogues and mosques take in billions of dollars and pay no taxes, I am forced to subsidize and offset their big tax break.
Why must I support wars? Every war ever has had its basis in religion. Border clashes? People believe that their land is given to them by that invisible man in the sky.
Why must I support wars? Every war ever has had its basis in religion. Border clashes? People believe that their land is given to them by that invisible man in the sky.
By: spam_vigilante
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Every war ever?
Yeah... right... you really know what you're talking about don't you?
Yeah... right... you really know what you're talking about don't you?
By: squeakytoad
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Yes, I do. Without religion, there would be no war. You differ in opinion? Based upon what, your God?
By: spam_vigilante
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No, based on human nature.
It's a person's greed and thirst for power, or whatever they don't have, that causes them to attack or steal from another. Most wars are based on territory or ruling acquisition. Many use an idea of "god's permission" to give themselves something to disguise their fault; but at the root of it is their wanting what they don't have.
Don't fool yourself. If the leauges of atheists are able to rid the world of all religious belief, I guarentee there will still be war. What will you blame then?
It's a person's greed and thirst for power, or whatever they don't have, that causes them to attack or steal from another. Most wars are based on territory or ruling acquisition. Many use an idea of "god's permission" to give themselves something to disguise their fault; but at the root of it is their wanting what they don't have.
Don't fool yourself. If the leauges of atheists are able to rid the world of all religious belief, I guarentee there will still be war. What will you blame then?
By: da-flotsam
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Very often people use religion as a means to justify their wars.
Joseph Stalin was a strong atheist. True, he didn't really start too many wars, but the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives has to count for something.
The warlord Attila the Hun's religion was apparently so unimportant that we don't even know what he believed it or if he even practiced a religion. Yet he ruled large portions of Europe and Asia. His wars slaughtered hundreds of thousands.
Are you stating that if no one believed in any religion, there would be no disputes, no desire for power, no hatred?
Or are you saying that these would still exists, but these people who have no belief in the existence of any higher power would be able to control themselves and keep from ever fighting (unlike anyone who follows a religion who is apparently spurred on by a belief system to commit violence)?
Joseph Stalin was a strong atheist. True, he didn't really start too many wars, but the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives has to count for something.
The warlord Attila the Hun's religion was apparently so unimportant that we don't even know what he believed it or if he even practiced a religion. Yet he ruled large portions of Europe and Asia. His wars slaughtered hundreds of thousands.
Are you stating that if no one believed in any religion, there would be no disputes, no desire for power, no hatred?
Or are you saying that these would still exists, but these people who have no belief in the existence of any higher power would be able to control themselves and keep from ever fighting (unlike anyone who follows a religion who is apparently spurred on by a belief system to commit violence)?
By: squeakytoad
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Just for the record the "Very often people use religion as a means to justify their wars" doesn't relate to the following paragraphs. Just thought I'd throw that in.
By: squeakytoad
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In case you didn't know this, the synagogue down the street isn't a private citizen. It's a non-profit organization.
When you become a non-profit organization, you can stop paying a few certain taxes.
Until then, you are a private citizen who has to pay taxes. Just like those pastors and priests who also have to pay taxes.
When you become a non-profit organization, you can stop paying a few certain taxes.
Until then, you are a private citizen who has to pay taxes. Just like those pastors and priests who also have to pay taxes.
By: squeakytoad
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Nonprofit, house of God or whatever you call it. Does it deserve preferential treatment over my earning ability?
Hey, your nickel in the great big pot. Your choice. Mine? I've simply stated it already in a clear manner. You choose to discuss? Okay, let's talk about brass tacks rather than ideological ideocy. Just MHO. But no big deal.
Hey, your nickel in the great big pot. Your choice. Mine? I've simply stated it already in a clear manner. You choose to discuss? Okay, let's talk about brass tacks rather than ideological ideocy. Just MHO. But no big deal.
By: spam_vigilante
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Btw, my apologies for previous comments. I sound like an idiotic jerk.
As for the taxes, I was only stating that everyone within the Church had to individually pay taxes. Churches, synagogues, and temples all come under non-profit organizations in tax laws, and therefore get special benefits as all non-profit organizations do.
As for the taxes, I was only stating that everyone within the Church had to individually pay taxes. Churches, synagogues, and temples all come under non-profit organizations in tax laws, and therefore get special benefits as all non-profit organizations do.
By: squeakytoad
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Actually, I don't think you're right about this. There are pretty severe limits on how non-profits can operate financially. Churches can operate like businesses and accumulate wealth in a way that non-profits cannot. Scientology is a good example of how a church can benefit from its special status. Even the Church of Universal Life (with which I have registered as a Minister) is totally legitimate, even though its founder openly describes it as a tax dodge.
By: tsackett
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No, you're no idiot. Nor do I consider your opinion that of one.
I've gotten myself into a lot of trouble in these comments in the past (including my own miserable spelling at times).
TSackett has a point but I'm not going to belabor it. So do you. Yes, all individual incomes earned are subject to taxes.
I've gotten myself into a lot of trouble in these comments in the past (including my own miserable spelling at times).
TSackett has a point but I'm not going to belabor it. So do you. Yes, all individual incomes earned are subject to taxes.
By: spam_vigilante
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Proof war is not all about religion is in the ancient Hindu word for war. Their word for war also could take meaning as a "Desire for more cows". They fought because of their greed and need for power. The reason for the hundreds of millions that have died in war can not be blamed on one cause.
By: Stick-man
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it was sort of rhetorical question meant to express mild amusement at the face value of the whole thing.
By: raubhi
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on another note, i live in pennsylvania, home of the dumbest liquor and beer (we have to keep them separate for some reason) laws in the country. i can still walk into my favourite liquor store on sunday, why cant you? so clearly they're allowed to be open on sundays just a large percentage choose not to be based either on their faith or simply getting a garunteed day off.
it should also be noted that not being able to get drunk in your home gives you absolutely NO RIGHT to endanger the public by driving. passing the blame of your vile irresponsibility onto people getting the day off really just points to a drinking problem... but i'm sure you would just blame that on your parents 'forcing' you to take communion as a child.
it should also be noted that not being able to get drunk in your home gives you absolutely NO RIGHT to endanger the public by driving. passing the blame of your vile irresponsibility onto people getting the day off really just points to a drinking problem... but i'm sure you would just blame that on your parents 'forcing' you to take communion as a child.
By: raubhi
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Actually, in some states off-sale liquor sales are illegal. Minnesota is one of them. I don't know how many others (I only pay attention to Minnesota, as I live there). Car dealers are also not allowed to sell cars. Go figure.
By: Geist
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i wont argue that it doesnt make sense but has anyone tried to change it recently? you probably wont hear employees at either place speaking out for it though;)
By: raubhi
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every war is not based on religion. i'll give examples of iraq, the american civil war, the war of 1812, the american revelutionary war, the french revelution... the majority of wars are based on resources, trade routes, or land. if the leader claims it to be for religious reasons it's more than likely he's only doing it to rally the gullible.
also if you can give a single example of someone being arrested and charged with whistling on a sunday and your home address or p.o. box i will gladly send you a gold star.
also if you can give a single example of someone being arrested and charged with whistling on a sunday and your home address or p.o. box i will gladly send you a gold star.
By: raubhi
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While every war was indeed not based on religion, you cited some really bad examples there, buddy.
It could be argued that both the American Civil War and the American Revolutionary War were both strongly religiously based. While the other two may not be, they do have their religious roots.
It could be argued that both the American Civil War and the American Revolutionary War were both strongly religiously based. While the other two may not be, they do have their religious roots.
By: squeakytoad
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if they were bad examples i'll use the 'it was early' excuse to attempt to save face. ultimatly though i only had to site one to disprove the statement 'all wars...'
i'm pretty rusty on a lot of history but i'm pretty sure the civil war was based on disagreements between the north and south where the south fealt it was being treated unfairly in a lot of decision making. and the american revolution was still based on wanting to be separate from england and govern themselves. for a war to be based on religions it would have to be because of religious differences between the two sides.
i'm pretty rusty on a lot of history but i'm pretty sure the civil war was based on disagreements between the north and south where the south fealt it was being treated unfairly in a lot of decision making. and the american revolution was still based on wanting to be separate from england and govern themselves. for a war to be based on religions it would have to be because of religious differences between the two sides.
By: raubhi
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Ah of course the fact is disproven. I found it such a ridiculous fact I didn't bother explaining why.
As for the American Revolution, you have to keep in mind that the Christian "Great Awakening" of the 1740s had stirred up a new generation. It also, in a way, united the colonies (which had previously been far more detached from one another).
Many documentaries, films, and literary works tend to leave out that just twenty to thirty years prior to the war, one of the greatest Christian evangelistic times in history had transpired.
People had a new desire for freedom, the desire that had originally driven many of them from Europe. However, in the French-Indian War, the British had acquired most of the colonies under their rule.
The colonists continually referred to their "God-given right to live freely" (which is kind of contradictory considering the Bible states submittance to governments, even ones that don't give you representation, and even ones that impail you on wooden crosses).
The "Founding Fathers" also feared the aristocracy that had begun to spread accross the colonies, favoring a republic in which "men are require to put civic duties in front of personal desires". Many of the ethics behind their logic came from the Bible (much scripture was quoted in their debates).
I recommend you read the original transcript of the Declaration.
http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/declaration_transcript.html
It's quite obvious here that this document and all theories behind it are very religious.
There are many more examples, but I don't have time to write them all.
The summary here is that no one can even discuss the American Revolution properly without recognizing the strong religious influence and Christian fundamentals.
As for the Civil War, it was about disagreements between the North and South. However, a strong amount of these agreements arose because of ethical and religious issues. Much of it was a matter of "right and wrong".
"All people were equal in God's sight; the souls of black folks were as valuable as those of whites; for one of God's children to enslave another was a violation of the Higher Law, even if it was sanctioned by the Constitution." -James McPherson
"Slavery was established by decree of Almighty God… it is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation… it has existed in all ages, has been found among the people of the highest civilization, and in nations of the highest proficiency in the arts." -Jefferson Davis
Now obviously, I agree with McPherson and disagree with Davis. However, both felt it was a strong religious issue.
Abraham also believed in keeping the "one nation under God" united. He believed in the "God-granted authority of governments".
I also recommend you read the Gettysburg Address and other speeches by Lincoln.
There are tons of more examples but I've already written a buttload and have other stuff to do.
"And that's all I have to say about that."
As for the American Revolution, you have to keep in mind that the Christian "Great Awakening" of the 1740s had stirred up a new generation. It also, in a way, united the colonies (which had previously been far more detached from one another).
Many documentaries, films, and literary works tend to leave out that just twenty to thirty years prior to the war, one of the greatest Christian evangelistic times in history had transpired.
People had a new desire for freedom, the desire that had originally driven many of them from Europe. However, in the French-Indian War, the British had acquired most of the colonies under their rule.
The colonists continually referred to their "God-given right to live freely" (which is kind of contradictory considering the Bible states submittance to governments, even ones that don't give you representation, and even ones that impail you on wooden crosses).
The "Founding Fathers" also feared the aristocracy that had begun to spread accross the colonies, favoring a republic in which "men are require to put civic duties in front of personal desires". Many of the ethics behind their logic came from the Bible (much scripture was quoted in their debates).
I recommend you read the original transcript of the Declaration.
http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/declaration_transcript.html
It's quite obvious here that this document and all theories behind it are very religious.
There are many more examples, but I don't have time to write them all.
The summary here is that no one can even discuss the American Revolution properly without recognizing the strong religious influence and Christian fundamentals.
As for the Civil War, it was about disagreements between the North and South. However, a strong amount of these agreements arose because of ethical and religious issues. Much of it was a matter of "right and wrong".
"All people were equal in God's sight; the souls of black folks were as valuable as those of whites; for one of God's children to enslave another was a violation of the Higher Law, even if it was sanctioned by the Constitution." -James McPherson
"Slavery was established by decree of Almighty God… it is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation… it has existed in all ages, has been found among the people of the highest civilization, and in nations of the highest proficiency in the arts." -Jefferson Davis
Now obviously, I agree with McPherson and disagree with Davis. However, both felt it was a strong religious issue.
Abraham also believed in keeping the "one nation under God" united. He believed in the "God-granted authority of governments".
I also recommend you read the Gettysburg Address and other speeches by Lincoln.
There are tons of more examples but I've already written a buttload and have other stuff to do.
"And that's all I have to say about that."
By: squeakytoad
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I'm not militant about my lack of faith but I will gladly discuss it.
I'm perfectly happy if you find your invisible man in the sky to suit your needs and your life. Enjoy the fairy tale. Just stop persecuting those of us who choose to not believe.
I'm perfectly happy if you find your invisible man in the sky to suit your needs and your life. Enjoy the fairy tale. Just stop persecuting those of us who choose to not believe.
By: spam_vigilante
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"if atheists dont believe in god why are they so obsessed with Him, Her, It, whatever."
Well first off, to call it an obsession seems to be you projecting your own religious state of mind onto others. I would describe it more as a level of realisation, manifesting as a vocal counterpoint to socially imbeded beliefs. Of course you don't notice me speak about music production or graphic design (2 things i AM obsessed about) - but thats becausse you're not there to hear me; and so, you assume that all i ever have to say is [insert atheist comments].
Secondly - religion, as i mentioned before, is embedded into our society and influences politics (ever heard of atheist lobbyists? no?? what about Christian lobbyists?) - which effects ME and the way i am able to live my life.
So for you to suggest that I shouldn't voice my opinions shows a complete sense of closeminded ignorance - something that seems to run right through the heart of your belief system.
Well first off, to call it an obsession seems to be you projecting your own religious state of mind onto others. I would describe it more as a level of realisation, manifesting as a vocal counterpoint to socially imbeded beliefs. Of course you don't notice me speak about music production or graphic design (2 things i AM obsessed about) - but thats becausse you're not there to hear me; and so, you assume that all i ever have to say is [insert atheist comments].
Secondly - religion, as i mentioned before, is embedded into our society and influences politics (ever heard of atheist lobbyists? no?? what about Christian lobbyists?) - which effects ME and the way i am able to live my life.
So for you to suggest that I shouldn't voice my opinions shows a complete sense of closeminded ignorance - something that seems to run right through the heart of your belief system.
By: gypo
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read some of my other comments on here. the statement is explained
and to the last part, what belief system do you think i have?
and to the last part, what belief system do you think i have?
By: raubhi
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There was a South Park episode where Cartman went to the future and all the people were Atheists and just as illogical and warlike as people are today. I know south Park is not a documentary, but I think they got it right on this one. I myself am a Christian, I believe what the Bible says about God, Jesus and all of that. I am smart enough to know that there is no proof of the existence of God but that doesn't mean He doesn't exist. Actually, agnosticism is the only theology that one could argue logically in that it doesn't make claims one way or the other. What I'm trying to say is that the views of Atheists are no more based in science or logic than those of Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc. Oh and I'm so sorry that you are persecuted so much, what with George Bush saying mean things to you and not being able to get drunk and buy a car on Sunday (why not do what people like me do and stock up on Saturday?). Why not try denouncing religion over in Iran and maybe you'll know what persecution is all about.
By: rickhatman
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The agnostic challenge. Heh.
"I believe everyone should calm down and stop caring so much."
"I believe everyone should calm down and stop caring so much."
By: squeakytoad
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Check this out from Ricky Gervais,Tells the Bible as about as convincing as it reads.
Not at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_EXqdJ4L7I
Not at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_EXqdJ4L7I
By: PI55_FLAP5
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"Athiests can play basketball too."
Haha. Classic line.
John Kasich says some of the dumbest stuff here. There are a million intelligent things he could've said in negative response to this site, but he has to make himself look like a moron.
"You're only speaking out against Christianity."
Psh. Way to do your research, John.
Were someone's opinions on Christianity soley based on FOX news, it would'nt be hard to figure out why they thought Christianity made people "gulible" and "stupid".
Haha. Classic line.
John Kasich says some of the dumbest stuff here. There are a million intelligent things he could've said in negative response to this site, but he has to make himself look like a moron.
"You're only speaking out against Christianity."
Psh. Way to do your research, John.
Were someone's opinions on Christianity soley based on FOX news, it would'nt be hard to figure out why they thought Christianity made people "gulible" and "stupid".
By: squeakytoad
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The concept of God is a great idea. The reality of what God means to the masses, is a key problem on the planet Earth.
I can say with certianty, with no statistics to back it up, that "religions" on the planet earth, have caused more death and destruction to humanity than everything else combined. ... easily.
I cant say if there is or is not a god. But i can say that what humanity does in the name of some god... was not that beings intention.
I read a book once, a man found all the truth of the universe and god. He chose to keep the book hidden from the world. Do you know why?
Because that truth would cause more harm than good. People make religions around it, and then counter religions against it. And then wars would start, and people would die and kill in the name of their beliefs. If he simply hides away this truth, no one ever argues or becomes fanatical about that truth. Yes no one will ever benefit from that truth either, but unfortunately ... like the story of eden and the apple, We ,as a species, cant handle the truth. Regardless if that "knowledge" is truth or lies.
I on the other hand believe that Religion is the human genome's way of thinning our species. And hey its working. Go go evolution!
I can say with certianty, with no statistics to back it up, that "religions" on the planet earth, have caused more death and destruction to humanity than everything else combined. ... easily.
I cant say if there is or is not a god. But i can say that what humanity does in the name of some god... was not that beings intention.
I read a book once, a man found all the truth of the universe and god. He chose to keep the book hidden from the world. Do you know why?
Because that truth would cause more harm than good. People make religions around it, and then counter religions against it. And then wars would start, and people would die and kill in the name of their beliefs. If he simply hides away this truth, no one ever argues or becomes fanatical about that truth. Yes no one will ever benefit from that truth either, but unfortunately ... like the story of eden and the apple, We ,as a species, cant handle the truth. Regardless if that "knowledge" is truth or lies.
I on the other hand believe that Religion is the human genome's way of thinning our species. And hey its working. Go go evolution!
By: xardox
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I have to disagree.
Worldwide abortions alone have taken more lives than all the wars from the past several centuries.
Worldwide abortions alone have taken more lives than all the wars from the past several centuries.
By: squeakytoad
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Masturbation takes more lives than both combined, per shot. 8)
By: Jiachi
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One thing's for sure, this is one of the most commented posts in a while; good for the site right?
Anyway, I'll try to keep politics out of this comment as much as possible. I think it's kinda sad to try to convince inpressionable youth into denying their religion. The adults on there, whatever, they've got the right to make up there mind to do so. Sure, kids have the full right too, but to have stupid incentives like DVD's, c'mon, a lot of teens I know would sign up real quick (maybe even have multiple submissions).
I fear for those youth that grow up, and are in charge of taking care of us when we're older. I would have to think that for many, their hopes for something more are shattered, and that's a wound that's hard to heal.
Anyway, I'll try to keep politics out of this comment as much as possible. I think it's kinda sad to try to convince inpressionable youth into denying their religion. The adults on there, whatever, they've got the right to make up there mind to do so. Sure, kids have the full right too, but to have stupid incentives like DVD's, c'mon, a lot of teens I know would sign up real quick (maybe even have multiple submissions).
I fear for those youth that grow up, and are in charge of taking care of us when we're older. I would have to think that for many, their hopes for something more are shattered, and that's a wound that's hard to heal.
By: Kiuball
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The fact that this is a huge, big news story really sort of justifies this group.
I hear christian ads on my mainstream radio channels all the time (hooray for Clear Channel), see people on campus trying to recruit for their God, and ads on the internet all the fracking time. Does anyone ever freak out and claim that they are trying to "take advantage" of kids? Nope.
One atheist group goes the same route? They're called extreme and told that they're hurting the community. The atheists are not given the same sort of courtesy and respect. So, honestly, the fact that is group is news worthy in anyway, shape, or form prove that it is needed.
I personally claim to be agnostic and will equally defend the rights of religious and non-religious folk. But I can't deny that atheists, and by extension agnostics, are constantly screwed over every day.
I hear christian ads on my mainstream radio channels all the time (hooray for Clear Channel), see people on campus trying to recruit for their God, and ads on the internet all the fracking time. Does anyone ever freak out and claim that they are trying to "take advantage" of kids? Nope.
One atheist group goes the same route? They're called extreme and told that they're hurting the community. The atheists are not given the same sort of courtesy and respect. So, honestly, the fact that is group is news worthy in anyway, shape, or form prove that it is needed.
I personally claim to be agnostic and will equally defend the rights of religious and non-religious folk. But I can't deny that atheists, and by extension agnostics, are constantly screwed over every day.
By: McCorvic
Re: Fox News Blasphemy Challenge
Feeding Religion to your children as truth before they can understand and make decisions for themselves, is very close to raping their little minds.
You might as well tell them getting it in the butt from adults is totally normal and acceptable. It would warp their minds either way.
They arent able to make those decisions, nor should they have to. Religion should be considered Rated X. Extreme content enclosed. Absolutely not for children.
Nothing like telling somone what could be a fairy tale and then convincing them its completely real. At that age, they are going to base all their views of the world around something that no one can prove to be true or not.
Children are sponges. And if i told my daughter that Mice live in the stars and guide our paths thru life. And only by offering cheese to the altar of Mousyness can her soul be saved, you would all think im nuts and irresponsible. But she would believe that in her heart for her whole life.
She was too young not to believe it.
Be careful with your children. Their minds are yours to grow. Feed them truth and knowledge, but leave belief up to them. ... least thats my two cents.
You might as well tell them getting it in the butt from adults is totally normal and acceptable. It would warp their minds either way.
They arent able to make those decisions, nor should they have to. Religion should be considered Rated X. Extreme content enclosed. Absolutely not for children.
Nothing like telling somone what could be a fairy tale and then convincing them its completely real. At that age, they are going to base all their views of the world around something that no one can prove to be true or not.
Children are sponges. And if i told my daughter that Mice live in the stars and guide our paths thru life. And only by offering cheese to the altar of Mousyness can her soul be saved, you would all think im nuts and irresponsible. But she would believe that in her heart for her whole life.
She was too young not to believe it.
Be careful with your children. Their minds are yours to grow. Feed them truth and knowledge, but leave belief up to them. ... least thats my two cents.
By: xardox
Re: Fox News Blasphemy Challenge
"And if i told my daughter that Mice live in the stars and guide our paths thru life. And only by offering cheese to the altar of Mousyness can her soul be saved..."
Good sir, I do believe you are onto something.
Good sir, I do believe you are onto something.
By: McCorvic
Re: Fox News Blasphemy Challenge
When I was in University, I was taking some early courses in sociology, and one of the course was entitled "Messianism and Millenialism" which introduced its students to a whole section of European and American history through dozens of historical scholarly publications that explored the various Christian sects and cults that proliferated when Protestantism confronted popish Catholicism. One of the more eye-opening scholarly books dealt with the early migration of certain Christian cults (which were being persecuted by Catholics, Anglicans, Lutherans, etc.) to America in order to find "freedom" for their beliefs. There were many Christian cults in America (having emigrated), and they all hated one another in their ideologically "faithful" ways. One of the more vicious of these cults were the Mormons. Shortly after a group of them arrived on America's shore, one of them - John Smith - discovered some tablets under a stone left to him by an angel. The content of the tablets became the basis of The Book of Mormon. It was also "revealed" to John Smith that the Mormon community would find the "New Jerusalem" in America and was pointed to the spot where present-day Salt Lake City inhabits. So the Mormons set off to their promised land, and they ended up slaughtering over 100,00 non-believers in their way. So much for compassion, do-unto-others or even tolerance.
By: melmoth
Re: Fox News Blasphemy Challenge
Eh.....if by "shortly after" you mean 1820s and by "John Smith" you mean "Joseph Smith".
Aw, this is so wrong it's painful to believe. What "university" did you go to?!
Aw, this is so wrong it's painful to believe. What "university" did you go to?!
By: McCorvic
Re: Fox News Blasphemy Challenge
Yes, you're right. My memory of the details can be inaccurate, since I'm now 57 years old; but not my memory of the content. Prehaps you should read Colin Wilson's "A Criminal History of Mankind".
By the way, are all responders on "Milk and Cookies" so agressively insulting as yourself.
By the way, are all responders on "Milk and Cookies" so agressively insulting as yourself.
By: melmoth
Re: Fox News Blasphemy Challenge
The problem with this debate is, religion has all the bases covered.
If you ask, "Where is the evidence that God exists?" The answer is, "You must have faith."
If you ask, "Why would a good, all-powerful God allow suffering on Earth?" the answer is, "It's part of God's master plan, and we aren't smart enough to know his plan."
Every answer is a non-answer.
Religion made sense to our ancestors when they thought the Sun orbited the Earth, and they wondered what caused lightning. Now we know our planet is a speck in eternity. It just seems astoundingly egotistical to believe God made the universe for a bunch of chatty monkeys like us.
If you ask, "Where is the evidence that God exists?" The answer is, "You must have faith."
If you ask, "Why would a good, all-powerful God allow suffering on Earth?" the answer is, "It's part of God's master plan, and we aren't smart enough to know his plan."
Every answer is a non-answer.
Religion made sense to our ancestors when they thought the Sun orbited the Earth, and they wondered what caused lightning. Now we know our planet is a speck in eternity. It just seems astoundingly egotistical to believe God made the universe for a bunch of chatty monkeys like us.
By: ghost_dog5150
Re: Fox News Blasphemy Challenge
Hmm...so you must be one of those who think we came from apes
"Where is the evidence that God exists?"
Are you blind, you think we humans came here by chance? Where is the evidence that evolution was real?
"Where is the evidence that God exists?"
Are you blind, you think we humans came here by chance? Where is the evidence that evolution was real?
By: Tofuj
Re: Fox News Blasphemy Challenge
Evidence of evolution occurring is in the fossils.
I really hope you are joking.
I really hope you are joking.
By: Stick-man
Re: Fox News Blasphemy Challenge
I really hope you don't believe in evolution, I don't see no half men half ape people out in the streets
By: Tofuj
Re: Fox News Blasphemy Challenge
Of course there are no half ape people in the streets. They would be too dumb to do anything. How can you explain how closely related humans and chimpanzees are. We share 98% of the same DNA. Maybe it's because we both evolved from a COMMON ANCESTOR.
And then there is the microraptor which is a small dinosaur with wings and feathers. The wings were used to parachute or glide from trees. Eventually the reptiles were able to fly for distances and evolve into birds.
Still not convinced. What about the Woolly Rhino, a large prehistoric Rhino that survived the last ice age. After the ice age its thick woolly coat was no longer needed so it begins to evolve needing less and less hair until you come to the present where Rhinos only have very thin short hair covering their body. The Woolly Rhino also shrank in size because the amount of nutrients necessary to sustain it was to much to take in, so the larger Rhinos slowly die out and smaller ones take their place.
Scientist recently found Pederpes finneyae which is a link between fish and amphibians. Some type of aquatic creature had to evolve in to the Pederpes finneyae in order to come out onto land.
Come on, Really, why would you believe a book written over 2000 years ago by some stupid superstitious religious fanatics instead of scientists when it comes to facts. God created the world in 7 days. yeah right.
Then you say, Wait I believe in Intelligent design, not creationism. Then I reply Intelligent Design is just a sorry attempt Christians use to include God in their creation. Do you ever believe facts from the bible. Turning someone into a pillar of salt, Don't think so.
You always trust the weather guy when it comes to weather so why wouldn't you trusts anthropologists when it comes to our evolution and history. Oh and by the way I'm not atheist I'm Catholic. You just need to know how to separate the fiction from the real meaning behind it.
And then there is the microraptor which is a small dinosaur with wings and feathers. The wings were used to parachute or glide from trees. Eventually the reptiles were able to fly for distances and evolve into birds.
Still not convinced. What about the Woolly Rhino, a large prehistoric Rhino that survived the last ice age. After the ice age its thick woolly coat was no longer needed so it begins to evolve needing less and less hair until you come to the present where Rhinos only have very thin short hair covering their body. The Woolly Rhino also shrank in size because the amount of nutrients necessary to sustain it was to much to take in, so the larger Rhinos slowly die out and smaller ones take their place.
Scientist recently found Pederpes finneyae which is a link between fish and amphibians. Some type of aquatic creature had to evolve in to the Pederpes finneyae in order to come out onto land.
Come on, Really, why would you believe a book written over 2000 years ago by some stupid superstitious religious fanatics instead of scientists when it comes to facts. God created the world in 7 days. yeah right.
Then you say, Wait I believe in Intelligent design, not creationism. Then I reply Intelligent Design is just a sorry attempt Christians use to include God in their creation. Do you ever believe facts from the bible. Turning someone into a pillar of salt, Don't think so.
You always trust the weather guy when it comes to weather so why wouldn't you trusts anthropologists when it comes to our evolution and history. Oh and by the way I'm not atheist I'm Catholic. You just need to know how to separate the fiction from the real meaning behind it.
By: Stick-man
Re: Fox News Blasphemy Challenge
ok, so what if people came from chimps, over a few hundred billion years, where do you think the first single celled organism came from to evolve into something greater? One cell turning into something with limbs and a brain with different organs to help it function. The probability of a single cell evolving into something as complicated as the human body is one out of hudreds and trillions. if you really believe in evolution, clearly you're blind from what they teach you in school. fossils only show what has existed but still has not proved the theory yet. scientists are still trying to replicate evolution and still have not done so.
God created the world in 7 days. yeah right.
hello? he's G-O-D
God created the world in 7 days. yeah right.
hello? he's G-O-D
By: Tofuj
Re: Fox News Blasphemy Challenge
Where Do I think the first single cell organism came from. Well not from God.
Everything is made from atoms. When lightning struck in the Earths oceans, energy caused these atoms to bond. these bonds formed amino acids and other Organic Matter. As the amino acids are made they bond with others. Eventually Proteins, Carbohydrates and Nucleic acids are formed from these bondings over millions and millions of years. Eventually membranes are created. With membranes the amino acids proteins and organic matter can be contained in an organism called a cell.
Keep in mind that the time from the first known single cell organism to the present complex orgamisms is about a 3 to 4 billion year difference. Now of course the beginnings of life is still a theory, and I realize it is probably more complicated than this.
Now evolution is nearly indisputable. I really though insane creationists were the only ones who don't believe in evolution, but I guess I was wrong. It is true scientists haven't replicated evolution in a lab, but come on evolution is everywhere. The thing is every organism changes. The Influenza Virus evolves every year to combat the new vaccines. In a recent New Scientist magazine they have found evidence of animals evolving back to what they used to be. for example they have found Dolphins with two small flippers near their tails.
When was the last time you went to school, in the 40's. If you go into a modern biology classroom and look in the textbook you'll find proof of evolution. I should know because I finished a biology course just last year. Going to a Catholic school even the religion teachers believe humans evolved from an ancient ancestor. Ok, Just pretending God exists, in an Infinitely huge universe like ours what do you think the chances are we are the only living organisms. And even if we are what are the chances god really cares?
Everything is made from atoms. When lightning struck in the Earths oceans, energy caused these atoms to bond. these bonds formed amino acids and other Organic Matter. As the amino acids are made they bond with others. Eventually Proteins, Carbohydrates and Nucleic acids are formed from these bondings over millions and millions of years. Eventually membranes are created. With membranes the amino acids proteins and organic matter can be contained in an organism called a cell.
Keep in mind that the time from the first known single cell organism to the present complex orgamisms is about a 3 to 4 billion year difference. Now of course the beginnings of life is still a theory, and I realize it is probably more complicated than this.
Now evolution is nearly indisputable. I really though insane creationists were the only ones who don't believe in evolution, but I guess I was wrong. It is true scientists haven't replicated evolution in a lab, but come on evolution is everywhere. The thing is every organism changes. The Influenza Virus evolves every year to combat the new vaccines. In a recent New Scientist magazine they have found evidence of animals evolving back to what they used to be. for example they have found Dolphins with two small flippers near their tails.
When was the last time you went to school, in the 40's. If you go into a modern biology classroom and look in the textbook you'll find proof of evolution. I should know because I finished a biology course just last year. Going to a Catholic school even the religion teachers believe humans evolved from an ancient ancestor. Ok, Just pretending God exists, in an Infinitely huge universe like ours what do you think the chances are we are the only living organisms. And even if we are what are the chances god really cares?
By: Stick-man
Re: Fox News Blasphemy Challenge
If you look into what they have, it's really subjective. There's no proof of evolution in fossils, just that things died. Most everything else is conjecture.
I'm telling you, put the effort in, and actually look, and you might be surprised as to what general media tells us.
I'm telling you, put the effort in, and actually look, and you might be surprised as to what general media tells us.
By: Kiuball
Re: Fox News Blasphemy Challenge
Despite MilkandCookies being mainly for the incredibly interesting or the amazingly hilarious, the religious debates seem to be the quite popular.
I have it! If I want to get headline, I'll have to submit a religious documentary. Scratch that. I'll have to submit an athiestic documentary against all religions and/or news coverage of some of their antics.
I doubt an "Anti-The God Who Wasn't There" documentary showing how incredibly stupid that documentary is would even get checked as a permanent link.
I have it! If I want to get headline, I'll have to submit a religious documentary. Scratch that. I'll have to submit an athiestic documentary against all religions and/or news coverage of some of their antics.
I doubt an "Anti-The God Who Wasn't There" documentary showing how incredibly stupid that documentary is would even get checked as a permanent link.
By: squeakytoad
Re: Fox News Blasphemy Challenge
wow, a day later and m&c has turned into an actual forum! cool. so i ranted how it is that i cannot purchase liquor on sundays, because here in denver, where i reside, the LAW disallows citizens of colorado to buy liquor on sundays (because its god's day). so, one has to go to a bar instead, where the alcohol must be consumed.
now...nowhere did i insinuate that drinking and driving (and/or alcoholism) is appropriate, but because of the BLUE LAW, if you choose to drink on sunday (and your cabinet is outa liquor) you may choose to be at the local pub drinking with the rest who will all eventually leave the establishment all-fucked up, ok? whereas, if xtian law ALLOWED ME to purchase the liquor from a store on SUNDAY then i wouldnt have to CONSUME IT FIRST BEFORE I DRIVE HOME. see?
also, my other point (about going to jail for whistling on sunday) specifically stated that OLD LAW (that is, the former xtian law of the colonies) would have your ass served in jail for such an evil infraction.
BRIEF HISTORY LESSON (read it and weap): history recalls a Benjamin Franklin who was sickened at the thought of going to jail for whistling and dancing on sunday and thus, returned to England to escape RELIGIOUS LAWS. HOWEVER, the man was all to soon roasted by parliament. so, his response was to return to the religious colonies of america and to help this country gain independence in a sordid retaliation. a great man was he!
so why do atheists care about xtianity? because religion is NOT seperate from politics. and such religious politics have our soldiers fighting a war FOR A DUDE WHO'S GOD TELLS HIM HOW TO RULE. APPARENTLY, BUSH GETS HIS INFO STRAIGHT FROM GOD!!!!
thats why.
now...nowhere did i insinuate that drinking and driving (and/or alcoholism) is appropriate, but because of the BLUE LAW, if you choose to drink on sunday (and your cabinet is outa liquor) you may choose to be at the local pub drinking with the rest who will all eventually leave the establishment all-fucked up, ok? whereas, if xtian law ALLOWED ME to purchase the liquor from a store on SUNDAY then i wouldnt have to CONSUME IT FIRST BEFORE I DRIVE HOME. see?
also, my other point (about going to jail for whistling on sunday) specifically stated that OLD LAW (that is, the former xtian law of the colonies) would have your ass served in jail for such an evil infraction.
BRIEF HISTORY LESSON (read it and weap): history recalls a Benjamin Franklin who was sickened at the thought of going to jail for whistling and dancing on sunday and thus, returned to England to escape RELIGIOUS LAWS. HOWEVER, the man was all to soon roasted by parliament. so, his response was to return to the religious colonies of america and to help this country gain independence in a sordid retaliation. a great man was he!
so why do atheists care about xtianity? because religion is NOT seperate from politics. and such religious politics have our soldiers fighting a war FOR A DUDE WHO'S GOD TELLS HIM HOW TO RULE. APPARENTLY, BUSH GETS HIS INFO STRAIGHT FROM GOD!!!!
thats why.
By: novaspecific
Re: Fox News Blasphemy Challenge
leave bush out of this, no one's denying he's an idiot. he also doesnt seem to represent christianity very well. it's pretty apparent that it's just to get votes and convince the gullible to vote for what he wants.
the history lesson doesnt really prove anything. there's a lot of wacky laws out there, like the one where you cant have a donkey in a bath tub or something. i wanted proof that someone has actually been prosecuted for it.
what you need to realize is that a lot of the people making laws, especially those based on their own backwards version of a religion dont represent all those who practice a more intelligent version of that religion. you're beef is with the insane extremists, not with the religion itself.
there are a lot of loud mouthed christians out there spewing all kinds of things that dont represent the average christian. the main (and most delicious sounding) one being piety. i know several christians who see no problems with things like drinking on sundays, some often drink with you.
on the other hand there are a lot loud mouthed atheists out there who insist that a different belief than their own is simple minded. someday i might even meet an atheists who can keep from covering their ears when discussing the possibility of there being a god.
...i walked away to fix a printer and now i forget where i was going with that... umm, eat your vegetables? ...no. stay in school? ...no.
i'm pretty sure i was going with the one bad apple scenario... christians arent opressing you, the average one doesnt care what you do with your time so long as it doesnt affect them. whistle all you want. i'm sure there are way crazier laws out there, in fact i think they chop limbs off for a few in other parts of the world.
the history lesson doesnt really prove anything. there's a lot of wacky laws out there, like the one where you cant have a donkey in a bath tub or something. i wanted proof that someone has actually been prosecuted for it.
what you need to realize is that a lot of the people making laws, especially those based on their own backwards version of a religion dont represent all those who practice a more intelligent version of that religion. you're beef is with the insane extremists, not with the religion itself.
there are a lot of loud mouthed christians out there spewing all kinds of things that dont represent the average christian. the main (and most delicious sounding) one being piety. i know several christians who see no problems with things like drinking on sundays, some often drink with you.
on the other hand there are a lot loud mouthed atheists out there who insist that a different belief than their own is simple minded. someday i might even meet an atheists who can keep from covering their ears when discussing the possibility of there being a god.
...i walked away to fix a printer and now i forget where i was going with that... umm, eat your vegetables? ...no. stay in school? ...no.
i'm pretty sure i was going with the one bad apple scenario... christians arent opressing you, the average one doesnt care what you do with your time so long as it doesnt affect them. whistle all you want. i'm sure there are way crazier laws out there, in fact i think they chop limbs off for a few in other parts of the world.
By: raubhi
Re: Fox News Blasphemy Challenge
Raubhi, why you are taking this debate out of context, when really you just want to put words into my mouth? You asked the question: “if atheists dont believe in god why are they so obsessed with Him…?” So, I then gave you an answer complete with many examples, and all you can do is attempt to invalidate my reason with circumlocution. Let me (again) enlighten you as to why some atheists are concerned about this problematic concept of god.
You see, what you fail to realize is that the real problem/beef isn’t necessarily with a god, per se, but rather it’s with the god’s followers that create the real problem(s) for everyone else. These followers then try use what Flemming eloquently calls psychological torture as a means of exercizing social control for their own gain. Which is why Bush wont be left out of this debate.
As you stated, Bush, “… doesnt seem to represent christianity very well” but nevertheless still does, and his belief in his god is having an undesirable effect not only on our once great country but the entire world as well.
As for my ill-fated attempt to educate you with a snippet of early American history, if you want actual proof then GOOGLE it---it shouldn’t be too hard to do. All Hail the mighty GOOGLE! It is a well-known fact that Ben Franklin hated colonial dogmatic laws that restricted his perception of freedom.
IN A NUTSHELL, yes, it does appear that MY beef is, “…with the insane extremists, not with the religion itself,” because they are the ones who’s ill-logic is a danger to their self and others. You and I included. Therefore, to know thy enemy is to know thy enemy’s god.
“Religion IS the root of all evil” ~ Dawkins.
You see, what you fail to realize is that the real problem/beef isn’t necessarily with a god, per se, but rather it’s with the god’s followers that create the real problem(s) for everyone else. These followers then try use what Flemming eloquently calls psychological torture as a means of exercizing social control for their own gain. Which is why Bush wont be left out of this debate.
As you stated, Bush, “… doesnt seem to represent christianity very well” but nevertheless still does, and his belief in his god is having an undesirable effect not only on our once great country but the entire world as well.
As for my ill-fated attempt to educate you with a snippet of early American history, if you want actual proof then GOOGLE it---it shouldn’t be too hard to do. All Hail the mighty GOOGLE! It is a well-known fact that Ben Franklin hated colonial dogmatic laws that restricted his perception of freedom.
IN A NUTSHELL, yes, it does appear that MY beef is, “…with the insane extremists, not with the religion itself,” because they are the ones who’s ill-logic is a danger to their self and others. You and I included. Therefore, to know thy enemy is to know thy enemy’s god.
“Religion IS the root of all evil” ~ Dawkins.
By: novaspecific
Re: Fox News Blasphemy Challenge
i already said that question was rhetorical and meant in jest.
and again, i'm not denying your whistling law, i'm just said that i doubt anyone was ever prosecuted for it. on top of that it was a law that was made in colonial america which has been non existent for 250ish years. i'm sure the aztecs had some crazy laws involving their religious beliefs (actually i'm in no way sure) but using it as an example for the modern day doesnt prove anything.
it's also often apparent that 'thy enemy' doesnt know 'thy enemy's god' half the time.' which is why mentioning bush is a bit of a cop out. quite a few christians think he's a nutjob as well, and it will be extrememly hard for anyone to prove to me that bush actually believes in christianity instead of just using it as some type of marketing ploy.
and whats with the multiple attempts to belittle me? mentioning your 'ill-fated attempt to educate me' and claiming that you will somehow 'enlighten' me? this is what i was originally complaining about in my original post. atheists believing they're somehow massive banks of wisdom and truth just because they've decided that god doesnt exist. it's that air of cockyness and the self-filated sense of self worth that makes me not want to listen to most atheists and what makes this stupid stupid dvd give-away, in my mind, retarded.
i dont claim to be smarter than anyone, especially people i've never talked to in person (okay, bush and bill o'rly and possibly a few others) so please give me the same courtesy.
and again, i'm not denying your whistling law, i'm just said that i doubt anyone was ever prosecuted for it. on top of that it was a law that was made in colonial america which has been non existent for 250ish years. i'm sure the aztecs had some crazy laws involving their religious beliefs (actually i'm in no way sure) but using it as an example for the modern day doesnt prove anything.
it's also often apparent that 'thy enemy' doesnt know 'thy enemy's god' half the time.' which is why mentioning bush is a bit of a cop out. quite a few christians think he's a nutjob as well, and it will be extrememly hard for anyone to prove to me that bush actually believes in christianity instead of just using it as some type of marketing ploy.
and whats with the multiple attempts to belittle me? mentioning your 'ill-fated attempt to educate me' and claiming that you will somehow 'enlighten' me? this is what i was originally complaining about in my original post. atheists believing they're somehow massive banks of wisdom and truth just because they've decided that god doesnt exist. it's that air of cockyness and the self-filated sense of self worth that makes me not want to listen to most atheists and what makes this stupid stupid dvd give-away, in my mind, retarded.
i dont claim to be smarter than anyone, especially people i've never talked to in person (okay, bush and bill o'rly and possibly a few others) so please give me the same courtesy.
By: raubhi
Re: Fox News Blasphemy Challenge
ah yes, the quote at the bottom, it's a good thing someone said that, otherwise you couldnt quote them and use it as an argument.
'my bolgna has a first name it's o-s-c-a-r. my bologna has a second name it's m-a-y-e-r' -oscar mayer jingle
'my bolgna has a first name it's o-s-c-a-r. my bologna has a second name it's m-a-y-e-r' -oscar mayer jingle
By: raubhi
Re: Fox News Blasphemy Challenge
See? Youre confusing the issue again. Whether or not GWB is truly Christian (or not) is not the issue, but rather the fact that he uses Christianity/god to validate his politics IS. So, this is where everyone is put at-risk of god-related agendas that I disagree with.
It was just another example (that careered off to another tangent), but my main point is primarily concerned with modern laws---called BLUE LAWS (theyre MADE LAW by Christian dogmatic principles). In other words, I don’t care if Sunday is god’s day, but my state does (colorado). Liquor stores cannot legally be open to sell alcohol on Sundays. Wtf? Why? Is it because “god” doesn’t approve---but “he” doesn’t mind all the rest of the week ? To hell with this god. As a result there is a disproportionate amount of DUIs on Sundays in Colorado because the drinkers (heaven forbid) hit the road to get their fix at the local bar and then get in their cars to drive back home. I bet jehova just loves that—it equal revenue for his regime (USA, Incorporated). I APOLOGIZE, BUT THIS IRKS ME TO NO END. Blue laws are prejudicial and need to be abolished. Also, you cannot buy a car on Sunday here; why? These are but some of the reasons I am tiresome of this god.
about the quote at the end.....but if "the bible says...."
then its made legitamate. or maybe even a blue law LOL
It was just another example (that careered off to another tangent), but my main point is primarily concerned with modern laws---called BLUE LAWS (theyre MADE LAW by Christian dogmatic principles). In other words, I don’t care if Sunday is god’s day, but my state does (colorado). Liquor stores cannot legally be open to sell alcohol on Sundays. Wtf? Why? Is it because “god” doesn’t approve---but “he” doesn’t mind all the rest of the week ? To hell with this god. As a result there is a disproportionate amount of DUIs on Sundays in Colorado because the drinkers (heaven forbid) hit the road to get their fix at the local bar and then get in their cars to drive back home. I bet jehova just loves that—it equal revenue for his regime (USA, Incorporated). I APOLOGIZE, BUT THIS IRKS ME TO NO END. Blue laws are prejudicial and need to be abolished. Also, you cannot buy a car on Sunday here; why? These are but some of the reasons I am tiresome of this god.
about the quote at the end.....but if "the bible says...."
then its made legitamate. or maybe even a blue law LOL
By: novaspecific
Re: Fox News Blasphemy Challenge
"Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace."
Buddha
Buddha
By: Stick-man
