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Olbermann: Free Speech

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Olbermann: Free Speech
Newt Gingrich disses free speech in the "Live Free or Die" state, New Hampshire.

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Dec 1, 2006 2:28 PM
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Great timing!

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Attached to headline. ;)
By: jaxon
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“There is always a point at which the terrorist ceases to manipulate the media gestalt. A point at which the violence may well escalate, but beyond which the terrorist has become symptomatic of the media gestalt itself. Terrorism as we ordinarily understand it is innately media-related.”
- William Gibson, Neuromancer
By: Confuzor
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First, when a City shall be as it were besieged and blocked about, her navigable river infested, inroads and incursions round, defiance and battle oft rumoured to be marching up evening to her walls, and suburb trenches, that then the people, or the greater part, more then at other times, wholly taken up with the study of highest and most important matters to be reformed, should be disputing, reasoning, reading, inventing, discoursing, even to a rarity, and admiration, things not before discoursed or written of, argues first a singular good will, contentedness and confidence in your prudent foresight, and safe government, Lords and Commons; and from thence derives it self to a gallant bravery and well grounded contempt of their enemies, as if there were no small number of as great spirits among us. [...] Next it is a lively and cheerful presage of our happy success and victory. For as in a body, when the blood is fresh, the spirits pure and vigorous, not only to vital, but to rational faculties, and those in the acutest, and the pertest operations of wit and subtlety, it argues in what good plight and constitution the body is, so when the cheerfulness of the people is so sprightly up, as that it has not only wherewith to guard well its own freedom and safety, but to spare, and to bestow upon the solidest and sublimest points of controversy, and new invention, it betokens us not degenerated, nor drooping to a fatal decay, but casting off the old and wrinkled skin of corruption to outlive these pangs and wax young again, entring the glorious ways of Truth and prosperous virtue destined to become great and honourable in these latter ages.

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And though all the winds of doctrine were let loose to play on the earth, so Truth be in the field, we do injuriously by licensing and prohibiting misdoubt her strength. Let her and Falsehood grapple; who ever knew Truth put to the worse in a free and open encounter?

- John Milton, Areopagitica
By: Confuzor
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"This 'many' does not include Catholics (or non-Christians): I mean not tolerated popery and open superstition, which, as it extirpates all religions and civil supremacies, so itself should be extirpate . . . but those neighboring differences, or rather indifferences, are what I speak of, whether in some point of doctrine or of discipline."

-John Milton, Aeropagitica

The paraphrasal? "Of course, I don't mean we should give free speech to those Catholics or non-Christians; we should destroy them."


See here for more: http://www.lib.latrobe.edu.au/AHR/archive/Issue-February-1998/fish.html
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"I just done a whoopsie!"

-Frank Spencer, Some Mothers Do 'Ave 'Em
By: gypo
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This got the best rating on the site?
I'm not a gingrich fan or right wing fan at all, but Olbermann is no Edward R. Murrow. He tries to use "good night and good luck" as if he's doing anything similar to Murrow but he's getting in meta arguments with Gingrich, not saying anything profound. Yes, the right wing has been winning a propaganda war based on fear, but his points are weak and not as compelling as he seems to think they are with his emotion and use of the Murrow quote.
By: julia314
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He ends every show with the Murrow quote, not just this one. He isn't comparing himself to Murrow (although others do); it's an homage to his idol.

For what it's worth, Olbermann won an Edward R. Murrow Award in 2002.
By: quisph
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Keith Olberman may not be out to show off his ideas, as you make it sound. There are people among us who to whom these ideas are foreign, and to whom even ideas and thinking may be foreign. These are the people who are most susceptible to the frightening propositions of Newt Gingrich. These are the people who seek safety not by dint of their own arms and intellect, but from those of a sovereign, the unifying leviathan. Scary stuff to a democratic population weened on freedom.

Olberman isn't revolutionary. He isn't looking to write a doctoral thesis on free speech. Olberman is in a position to help relay ideas of democracy and free speech to many people, which makes a difference to those people who can't think for themselves. There's nothing wrong with these people, but they need a Keith Olberman to keep away from the leviathan.

Neither would I expect Olberman to deliver his message dispassionately. He wasn't delivering news, but words of his own thoughts. That sort of words just can't be spoken dispassionately, regardless of the strength of the argument; it'd be weird if he didn't use emotion. Moreover, to the sort of people to whom these arguments and ideas are novel, the emotion is an effective rhetorical tool.

And just out of curiosity, what would be strong points to use against Gingrich? Is there anything profound to say about the matter at all? Since Olberman did such a poor cocksure job of addressing Gingrich, maybe you could tell me about it instead? I'm dying to know.
By: Wondahboy
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At least he idolizes Murrow, rather than McCarthy. I don't trust that he writes his own stuff but it's good stuff none the less.
By: ByteBaron
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Maybe we should examine the word "terrorist." It's different than warrior, soldier, assassin, or even mercenery. Terrorists do not focus on physical damage, and therefore do NOT wish to kill as many Americans as possible. Terrorists deal in terror. They use the most efficient means possible to keep their enemies in a state of terror so that they(we) will eventually collapse as a society. Every time someone says we should sacrifice our liberties in order to battle terrorism, they are doing exactly what terrorists want. Why do you think there hasn't been an attack on America since 9/11? Because there doesn't need to be. Many Americans are still clearly in the grips of hysteria and willing to subjugate themselves to the kind of totalitarian rule Jihadists advocate in order to save themselves. As long as we let fear control us, they win.
By: Veritas
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I'd watch more but Olbermann makes wordy speeches, not that anchors should be contributing their own opinions in the spirit of reporting news, anyway.
By: Overmann
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Being an Australian, I do not know this commentator, but after watching this, I'm glad that he exists on a major network over there in the US of A.

The number of people who are perfectly happy for all their civil liberties to be stripped away are just scary. They will not notice the effect that their apathy is having until one day it suddenly bites them on the arse, hits them in a way they never suspected, and then suddenly they'll be up in arms as to how this could have happened.

All of us who saw it coming, who tried to vote against those who are for it (it's happening in Australia with John Howard|) will just shake our heads and sadly, belatedly, welcome them to our side...

The world is currently a scary place politically... scary
By: spoco2
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Do you all even realize what is being challenged here? It is not at all about free speech; that is something the media has tacked on. This is about terrorists putting mass quantities of information on the internet about how to create dirty bombs, attain rockets and munitions, and how to bring down America.

To say that we are against the removal of such information because it is against freedom of speech is ludacris. What free speech does a corpse have if it lacks the power to communicate. These aren't radical groups that are mounting attacks on America. This is a nation of Islam preparing Jihad to ANY non-believer, American or otherwise. Imagine where free speech will be then. In countries such as Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, and Kuwait people can be beaten for speaking or saying the wrong things. My father who was stationed in Iraq has witnessed this first hand. A woman was found talking to another man other than her husband at the market and was beaten on the spot by the religious police.

I agree that to preserve free speech, there are times we must discern when to bend the rules to preserve our freedom.
By: allute
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