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Penn and Teller: A Helping Hand
Penn and Teller debunk a lot of what they find in The Bible.
Are they going to Hell for this? Get serious.
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Are they going to Hell for this? Get serious.
Clip is over 29 minutes.
Dec 10, 2005 1:07 PM
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Forgive me for failing to stamp this one as NSFW. I think most folks know that P&T tend to use colorful language. And of course, to some people The Bible is sacred and nothing to poke fun at.
That said, this was the greatest thing I've watched today. The other? Actually an audio clip of the late Sam Kinison: "Pat Robertson? Jesus told you to run for president? Let me tell you something Pat, the last thing Jesus ever said was [bang, bang, bang] AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!"
That said, this was the greatest thing I've watched today. The other? Actually an audio clip of the late Sam Kinison: "Pat Robertson? Jesus told you to run for president? Let me tell you something Pat, the last thing Jesus ever said was [bang, bang, bang] AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!"
By: spam_vigilante
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Penn for President, Teller for Vice. Or vice-versa.
I've been saying for years that if we wiped ourselves out, thousands of years later, archaelogists would assume we worshipped Elvis, and adopt Himas their God.
I don't always agree with them, but I love that they've used their fame constructively, to open much-needed dialogue on the taboo topics.
Related --
The Aristocrats: http://www.thinkfilmcompany.com/films/thearistocrats/
This I Believe:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5015557
I've been saying for years that if we wiped ourselves out, thousands of years later, archaelogists would assume we worshipped Elvis, and adopt Himas their God.
I don't always agree with them, but I love that they've used their fame constructively, to open much-needed dialogue on the taboo topics.
Related --
The Aristocrats: http://www.thinkfilmcompany.com/films/thearistocrats/
This I Believe:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5015557
By: hypersloth
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Penn is an arrogant blowhard. I agree with his opinions about 70% of the time, but he uses the same techniques of argument as Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reillly. His usual strategy is to pick the worst, most embarrassing representatives from whatever he is opposing, and bait them mercilessly. While it's fun to hear him tear into a phony psychic or the bottled water industry, it's cheap thrills.
By: tsackett
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I agree with that, but I allow the champions of my causes to cheat without catching any flak from me, because the other guys do it all the time for lesser ideals.
Call it a guilty pleasure.
Call it a guilty pleasure.
By: thegentlesherpa
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Good grief. If only they'd let an articulate, bible believing person explain how Genesis, the flood, etc. all make PERFECT sense and have left evidence that is visable and easily discerned, then perhaps this would have been balanced. But of course their show is not really about truth, is it. It's about their show. This is just another example of their schtick. Yes, I found it offensive and turned it off about half way through.
If you don't wish to believe the bible, then there's nothing I can say or do to make you believe. I can just share the gosple message. It's up to you (the non believer) to make the decision to believe or not to believe. I guess Penn and Teller have made it clear what they believe. They better hope they're right!
If you don't wish to believe the bible, then there's nothing I can say or do to make you believe. I can just share the gosple message. It's up to you (the non believer) to make the decision to believe or not to believe. I guess Penn and Teller have made it clear what they believe. They better hope they're right!
By: Chuck_PalmBay
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No, they better have FAITH that they're right. That's what religion's all about, isn't it? Faith in the unknown?
By: kazenodeku
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no they were just pointing out absurdities. Faith is believing in something that you have no proof of. Its totally diffrent....
By: meat
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Much like faith in Evolution. Evolution is a religion based upon this definition.
By: Chuck_PalmBay
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Just like how having faith that a player with a female avatar in an on-line game is actually female in real life. It's a religion.
By: ByteBaron
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"Much like faith in Evolution. Evolution is a religion based upon this definition."
No, no, no and no.
Please do us all a favour and pick up a text book, attend your science class, and get your head out of your bible.
Yes, it's the Theory of Evolution. But just because it's called a "Theory", doesn't mean it's a product of faith. There are countless examples showing that evolution occured/is occuring; in fact, the evidence for evolution is so overwhelming that it is a FACT that evolution did, in fact, take place. It's only a "Theory" because scientists are still trying to put the puzzle pieces together (ie fossil evidence) to get the full picture of exactly how evolution took place. Here's an analogy in case you're too stupid to understand what I've said so far:
The "Theory" of Gravity. There's no question that gravity exists, but the "theory" part of "Theory of Gravity" is describing the method by which gravity works. Scientists really aren't sure what gravity is, but they've got a theory as to how it works. BUT GRAVITY EXISTS!!!!
EVOLUTION IS NOT FAITH. EVOLUTION IS NOT RELIGION.
No, no, no and no.
Please do us all a favour and pick up a text book, attend your science class, and get your head out of your bible.
Yes, it's the Theory of Evolution. But just because it's called a "Theory", doesn't mean it's a product of faith. There are countless examples showing that evolution occured/is occuring; in fact, the evidence for evolution is so overwhelming that it is a FACT that evolution did, in fact, take place. It's only a "Theory" because scientists are still trying to put the puzzle pieces together (ie fossil evidence) to get the full picture of exactly how evolution took place. Here's an analogy in case you're too stupid to understand what I've said so far:
The "Theory" of Gravity. There's no question that gravity exists, but the "theory" part of "Theory of Gravity" is describing the method by which gravity works. Scientists really aren't sure what gravity is, but they've got a theory as to how it works. BUT GRAVITY EXISTS!!!!
EVOLUTION IS NOT FAITH. EVOLUTION IS NOT RELIGION.
By: ledavee
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There are countless examples showing that evolution occured/is occuring;
Can you give me one example of this?
Can you give me one example of this?
By: Chuck_PalmBay
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Uh.. Yes?
What about the controversial, and practicaly factual join between apes and humans?
What about the controversial, and practicaly factual join between apes and humans?
By: Skullpop
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"Can you give me one example of this?"
I was about to write a post along the lines of "wow, you are an idiot" and then give you hundreds upon thousands of examples of evolution having occured and evolution currently occuring on planet earth; but then I realized you gotta be joking. You're playing Devil's Advocate to get a rise out of people.
So, I won't argue with you, because I know you're just yanking our chains. Haha, come to think of it, it's quite funny. I should've realized from the beginning that nobody can be that stupid. Haha. good on ya.
I was about to write a post along the lines of "wow, you are an idiot" and then give you hundreds upon thousands of examples of evolution having occured and evolution currently occuring on planet earth; but then I realized you gotta be joking. You're playing Devil's Advocate to get a rise out of people.
So, I won't argue with you, because I know you're just yanking our chains. Haha, come to think of it, it's quite funny. I should've realized from the beginning that nobody can be that stupid. Haha. good on ya.
By: ledavee
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Well, I think this show was about presenting their evidence. It was a lot more entertaining than any sermon I sat through. Also, you cant argue if you dont hear the whole argument. Of course you would turn it off. It probably goes against every thing you were taught as a kid. To believe them would turn your world upside down. But imagine believing them. Heck, I imagined believing in god once. It was swell... but dilusional. =)
By: meat
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Well, I think this show was about presenting their evidence. It was a lot more entertaining than any sermon I sat through. Also, you cant argue if you dont hear the whole argument. Of course you would turn it off. It probably goes against every thing you were taught as a kid. To believe them would turn your world upside down. But imagine believing them. Heck, I imagined believing in god once. It was swell... but dilusional. =)
By: meat
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If only they'd let an articulate, bible believing person explain how Genesis, the flood, etc. all make PERFECT sense and have left evidence that is visable and easily discerned, then perhaps this would have been balanced.
I'm guessing they didn't include such a person simply out of a sense of fair play. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel. "Perfect sense"? Genesis, as they point out, contradicts itself. Trying to get a consistent story out of these myths requires so much tortured logic that it leaves believers unable to apply basic rules of evidence and logic. Even worse, the old testament is even less coherent morally than it is logically. In those passages where god's not killing babies himself, he's telling his followers to do it. The only way to reconcile the logical and moral contradictions in the bible is through faith. Claiming your being logical is, as Penn & Teller would point out, bullshit.
I'm guessing they didn't include such a person simply out of a sense of fair play. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel. "Perfect sense"? Genesis, as they point out, contradicts itself. Trying to get a consistent story out of these myths requires so much tortured logic that it leaves believers unable to apply basic rules of evidence and logic. Even worse, the old testament is even less coherent morally than it is logically. In those passages where god's not killing babies himself, he's telling his followers to do it. The only way to reconcile the logical and moral contradictions in the bible is through faith. Claiming your being logical is, as Penn & Teller would point out, bullshit.
By: tsackett
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Also, claiming you're being grammatical is a mistake when you mix up "your" and "you're". I hate it when I do that.
By: tsackett
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Its all how you translate it right? If spam_vigilante is not god, then spam_vigilante is a MESSENGER of god!!!!!!!! Well, if spam_vigilante was being the hand of god then we should all start following spam_vigilante. Right? spam_vigilante is the new MESSIAH! Eh, I give up. I cant get too excited about this. Imma go worship a cow or something easy that dosent cause too much of a fuss.
By: meat
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Silent pie
whole piece of pie
all is calm
all is right
Round thick crust
so tender and mild
whole on my plate
it makes me go wild
eat delicious feeeeeaaaaast
eat delicious feast.
whole piece of pie
all is calm
all is right
Round thick crust
so tender and mild
whole on my plate
it makes me go wild
eat delicious feeeeeaaaaast
eat delicious feast.
By: meat
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As your campaign adviser, I suggest you concentrate on winning the coveted pie vote.
By: ByteBaron
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We could get someone to write a Pieble! ...allright, so it's not that funny.
By: kazenodeku
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There's this passage I got memorised, sort of fits the occasion:
Piezekiel 25:17
The dessert of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the aftertaste of the shellfish, and the tyrrany of evil cake. Blessed is he, who in the name of all that is delicious, shepards the starving through the isle of a bakery, for he is truly his brother's feeder and the purveyor of sweet confections. And I will strike down upon thee with a scoop of ice cream and furious hunger, at those who attempt to poison and destroy my cobbler. And you will know that Pie is God, as I lay my pastries upon thee.
*amen*
Piezekiel 25:17
The dessert of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the aftertaste of the shellfish, and the tyrrany of evil cake. Blessed is he, who in the name of all that is delicious, shepards the starving through the isle of a bakery, for he is truly his brother's feeder and the purveyor of sweet confections. And I will strike down upon thee with a scoop of ice cream and furious hunger, at those who attempt to poison and destroy my cobbler. And you will know that Pie is God, as I lay my pastries upon thee.
*amen*
By: thegentlesherpa
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I been sayin' that shit for years. And if you ever heard it, it meant your pie. I never really questioned what it meant. I thought it was just a cold-blooded thing to say to a motherfucker before you popped a pie in his oven But I saw some shit this mornin' made me think twice. Now I'm thinkin': it could mean you're the golden crust. And I'm the tasty filling. And Mr. rolling pin here, he's the shepherd protecting my pie in the valley of darkness. Or it could be you're the tasty filling and I'm the crust and it's the world that's golden and delicious. I'd like that. But that shit ain't the truth. The truth is you're a ding dong. And I'm the twinkie. But I'm tryin', Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be a pie.
By: tsackett
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Man these guys obviously didn't know what they were talking about, Elvis did drugs... :p
By: HighHemplar
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If there is a god, I will offer him a pie to apologize for not believing in him. Then I will shoe him in the nuts for being such a prick.
By: lyzard
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Wow, what kind of crusade did I start by posting this? ;-)
Look, I happen to be an atheist. But I also don't want to deny anyone else their choice to practice their religion. In fact, I generally like to see people who get a charge out of their belief. Except where it affects me. Like some of the following: Taxes. Why are religious organizations exempt? Doesn't this mean that my share of taxes are proportionately higher? Why am I forced to carry the load as a nonbeliever?Holiday pay. I'm now subsidizing people to worship their invisible man in the sky. I'm not talking just the place of employment, I'm referring to the added costs in the products and services that I consume.War. What is the cause of almost every war that ever was? Even the occasional border clash or skirmishes that are over natural resources tend to have their basis in the mistaken belief that God would want our side to have that.Look, I don't have the mistaken belief that I am going to change anyone's thoughts on the matter. But I do respect the majority of folks on this planet who do have their faith and religious convictions. But if yours is the only true religion and everyone else praises a false God, then how will Hell hold all those souls?
Look, I happen to be an atheist. But I also don't want to deny anyone else their choice to practice their religion. In fact, I generally like to see people who get a charge out of their belief. Except where it affects me. Like some of the following: Taxes. Why are religious organizations exempt? Doesn't this mean that my share of taxes are proportionately higher? Why am I forced to carry the load as a nonbeliever?Holiday pay. I'm now subsidizing people to worship their invisible man in the sky. I'm not talking just the place of employment, I'm referring to the added costs in the products and services that I consume.War. What is the cause of almost every war that ever was? Even the occasional border clash or skirmishes that are over natural resources tend to have their basis in the mistaken belief that God would want our side to have that.Look, I don't have the mistaken belief that I am going to change anyone's thoughts on the matter. But I do respect the majority of folks on this planet who do have their faith and religious convictions. But if yours is the only true religion and everyone else praises a false God, then how will Hell hold all those souls?
By: spam_vigilante
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Very Impressive Spam_Vigilante, what a shocker, honestly Penn can be a prickish loud mouth. But I have to admit, this is gold. Hey, let people believe what they want. but yes, the bible is just a book, if it was the true word, people could be sell thier daughters fer crack, smack, xbox 360. Yes, you bible belters might disagree, but i bet anything you dribk on Sunday, or play cards on sunday... 'nuff said. People allowed their options, and do not cram this book down anyone's throats.
Also religion is as the greeks and Romans , Eygptians, Sumerians.. it is Myth, we are in control of our lives.
Also religion is as the greeks and Romans , Eygptians, Sumerians.. it is Myth, we are in control of our lives.
By: Spacenut
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No fossil evidence of evolution has ever been found. Fossil records indicate similarities between certain species but fails to provide us with any of the transitional species that are required in order to further evolution as truth, this is why it is a theory. Even the sciences are not brazen enough to call evolution truth. But limiting your debate of evolution vs. creationism is a mistake in itself.
By: REy_
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There is no debate. Creationism is a myth from a story, with absolutely NO physical evidence of any kind. The creationism argument isnt even backed by the 'meager' evidence we have to support the fact of evolution. I hate it when out and out fiction masquerades as science.
By: thegentlesherpa
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The human mind gave you the bible to test your reasoning.
By: lyzard
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Of course there is a debate. That's a ridiculous statement that makes no sense. We're debating in this thread and I think it's a great thread!
You state that there is no proof of creation. The items I have to offer aren’t proof, but are what I’m going with. The bibles account of creation and its historical accuracy. The fact that when I look at the world, it fits the biblical view. There’s not much of anything left that I can see of the original creation other than the beauty of the existing world, which I consider to be a remnant of its created beauty. But there are TONS of evidence that point ot the flood, which forever changed the face of the earth. The flood wasn’t a bad rainstorm, it was a cataclysmic event that changed the shape of the earth, moved continents, created mountain ranges, etc. Evidence of this flood is EVERYWHERE if you know what you’re looking for. Coal, geologic formations, even ripples of large hills that would have been displaced during the flooding.
The evidence you have is the same. You simply have observational evidence combined with a theory. You have a worldview and a theory that match, so you naturally discard the detritus that doesn’t fit your worldview.
I would be lying if I didn’t say that I do the same. I changed when I was about 35. Now, when I look at the world, I look through ‘biblical glasses’ and it has completely changed what I see.
Anyway, believing something when there is no solid proof if the very definition of Faith, right? That’s why I’ve come to the conclusion that a belief in evolution is a religious belief. It requires a faith in something that cannot be seen, observer or reproduced. Your bible is “The Origin of Species” by Darwin. Your church is the zoo, field, woods, whatever and your preachers are Biology teachers.
Humm. I hope that wasn’t too harsh.
You state that there is no proof of creation. The items I have to offer aren’t proof, but are what I’m going with. The bibles account of creation and its historical accuracy. The fact that when I look at the world, it fits the biblical view. There’s not much of anything left that I can see of the original creation other than the beauty of the existing world, which I consider to be a remnant of its created beauty. But there are TONS of evidence that point ot the flood, which forever changed the face of the earth. The flood wasn’t a bad rainstorm, it was a cataclysmic event that changed the shape of the earth, moved continents, created mountain ranges, etc. Evidence of this flood is EVERYWHERE if you know what you’re looking for. Coal, geologic formations, even ripples of large hills that would have been displaced during the flooding.
The evidence you have is the same. You simply have observational evidence combined with a theory. You have a worldview and a theory that match, so you naturally discard the detritus that doesn’t fit your worldview.
I would be lying if I didn’t say that I do the same. I changed when I was about 35. Now, when I look at the world, I look through ‘biblical glasses’ and it has completely changed what I see.
Anyway, believing something when there is no solid proof if the very definition of Faith, right? That’s why I’ve come to the conclusion that a belief in evolution is a religious belief. It requires a faith in something that cannot be seen, observer or reproduced. Your bible is “The Origin of Species” by Darwin. Your church is the zoo, field, woods, whatever and your preachers are Biology teachers.
Humm. I hope that wasn’t too harsh.
By: Chuck_PalmBay
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"But there are TONS of evidence that point ot the flood, which forever changed the face of the earth. The flood wasn’t a bad rainstorm, it was a cataclysmic event that changed the shape of the earth, moved continents, created mountain ranges, etc. Evidence of this flood is EVERYWHERE if you know what you’re looking for. Coal, geologic formations, even ripples of large hills that would have been displaced during the flooding."
ummm well no. I've taken many geology classes, and the one I just took, geology of the earth, was a very interesting one. Saying that the event wasn't just a bad rainstorm that changed how the earth is formed? It just didn't happen like that. Things, events, that changed the earth happened millions of years ago due to subduction zones, superplums, and other events. Way before any guy building a boat came along. Also, to have so much water falling, rain, in such a short amount of time, all living things will literally drowned from breathing. The air would be so rich with water/mist, that breathing it in, will kill all animals/humans. The "evidence" you are talking about can only come from geological events way, way before this time period.
It is ok to have faith and all. But getting things mixed up with geological events, na can't do that. I think you have a point at the end, but the first part of your post, I would disagree on.
Dillon
ummm well no. I've taken many geology classes, and the one I just took, geology of the earth, was a very interesting one. Saying that the event wasn't just a bad rainstorm that changed how the earth is formed? It just didn't happen like that. Things, events, that changed the earth happened millions of years ago due to subduction zones, superplums, and other events. Way before any guy building a boat came along. Also, to have so much water falling, rain, in such a short amount of time, all living things will literally drowned from breathing. The air would be so rich with water/mist, that breathing it in, will kill all animals/humans. The "evidence" you are talking about can only come from geological events way, way before this time period.
It is ok to have faith and all. But getting things mixed up with geological events, na can't do that. I think you have a point at the end, but the first part of your post, I would disagree on.
Dillon
By: Dillzman
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My problem is not that you believe, which you are entirely entitled to do. I would encourage you and everyone else to continue finding something solid to have faith in, and all the better if you should happen to find out that its even more productive to put that faith in yourself, in the long run.
The problem with your posts thus far, as I see it, is that you are allowed to disseminate so much misinformation, all as percieved through your distorted and foggy 'biblical glasses'. None of what you say is fact. Logic relies entirely on fact. In all of your proselytizing, I think you do a disservice to rational thought when you glaze right over that necessity of logic, in favor of proving these ancient lunacies correct. True science has no agenda. It is an observation of natural happenings, ad nausem, till said behavior can be called 'fact'. Theory can ONLY become fact if it can be reproduced. Perhaps most importantly, science leaves itself entirely subject to change, based on new credible evidence. It is not an extrapolation based on stories or retellings.
Darwin's theory is not the fact of evolution we are discussing here, and in fact has very little to do with this particular debate. Still, I must add that it is not mine, or any other logically thinking person's 'bible'. If one does indeed think logically, it only stands to reason that bibles are very dangerous things to put ALL of your faith in.
Sadly I do realise, with a thwack to the forehead, that people will believe what they want, when they want. Most of society is set up to ensure the damage that is caused by that alone. If any poor soul was gullible enough to buy into the crackpot theory's you support, then they probably deserve it anyhow.
This thread is long enough, and I am going to shut my fingers up now. Yes, you can praise Jesus for that, if you want.
The problem with your posts thus far, as I see it, is that you are allowed to disseminate so much misinformation, all as percieved through your distorted and foggy 'biblical glasses'. None of what you say is fact. Logic relies entirely on fact. In all of your proselytizing, I think you do a disservice to rational thought when you glaze right over that necessity of logic, in favor of proving these ancient lunacies correct. True science has no agenda. It is an observation of natural happenings, ad nausem, till said behavior can be called 'fact'. Theory can ONLY become fact if it can be reproduced. Perhaps most importantly, science leaves itself entirely subject to change, based on new credible evidence. It is not an extrapolation based on stories or retellings.
Darwin's theory is not the fact of evolution we are discussing here, and in fact has very little to do with this particular debate. Still, I must add that it is not mine, or any other logically thinking person's 'bible'. If one does indeed think logically, it only stands to reason that bibles are very dangerous things to put ALL of your faith in.
Sadly I do realise, with a thwack to the forehead, that people will believe what they want, when they want. Most of society is set up to ensure the damage that is caused by that alone. If any poor soul was gullible enough to buy into the crackpot theory's you support, then they probably deserve it anyhow.
This thread is long enough, and I am going to shut my fingers up now. Yes, you can praise Jesus for that, if you want.
By: thegentlesherpa
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You're right, the thread is long, but a good one that I hope will make people think.... and question what they've been taught.
Now, someone make a post about abortion!
Now, someone make a post about abortion!
By: Chuck_PalmBay
What a Crock
Thats just a bunch of entertainment. If you have FAITH in God then your not going to let Penn and Teller tell you what GOD can and cannot do. Trying to prove the Bible is factual isn't neccesary. Why does Love exist, why do we have a conscience? Whether or not you believe in God, THERE IS a higher power, everything didn't just all get here. What are Penn and Teller going to be thinking when they are on their death beds and they are wondering what's going to happen when the light goes out. Seeing death as the end of life is like seeing the horizon as the end of the Ocean. I can't believe they had the audacity to make a show like that. That show was Bullshit.
By: nate7667
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I'll say what I say to my kids. There might be a god, and there might not. People will tell you that the Bible is god's message to us, but it's paper and ink and glue, just like a romance novel. It comes from a book manufactory somewhere, just like a comic book. It's written in an ancient language that is not spoken by anyone on earth, and has been translated many ways, by many men, like the Iliad and the Odyssey. When did god deliver this message to you? He didn't - you had to buy it at the store, or receive it as a gift, like I'm OK, You're OK, or the Origin of Species, or Catcher in the Rye. It comes to you from man, period. It doesn't mean you reject it, but it means you don't worship it. It is not of god.
Christians like to ignore the fact that Jesus himself rejected the tenets of his own religion (hate thine enemy, eye for an eye, etc.), never said anything about homosexuality, rarely was in a church of any kind, except to decry it a den of thieves and its inhabitants hypocrites. He said that to display our religion in public was also hypocrisy, that your government was not the custodian of your soul, that rich people would not enter heaven, that to judge others was the job of God alone...I could go on forever, but the fact is that, like the Bible in general, Jesus had some great ideas and the best intentions, and yet, like the Bible, he's been twisted and bent to fit this self-serving, power and influence seeking social agenda. I read the new testament when I was about 12, because I wanted to know for myself whether he was for real. I was amazed to find that his teaching was really wonderful and enlightening, and was ashamed of the "Christianity" of which I was supposed to be a part. It is, with few exceptions, the wolf in sheep's clothing that Jesus himself warned us about. I truly believe that it's evil.
As for the matter of evolution vs. intelligent design, I make this point to my children: Ask 100 creationists if it's possible that God perhaps does not exist, and 95 of them will tell you that this is NOT possible. Now ask 100 believers in evolution if it's possible that there is a God, and 95 of them will admit that of course it IS possible - we can't call it impossible if it can't be disproven.
Now which 100 people are likely to contribute something reasonable to the debate, and which 100 should be suspect?
Look, you've got it all wrong! You don't NEED to follow ME, You don't NEED to follow ANYBODY! You've got to think for your selves! You're ALL individuals!
-Brian
Christians like to ignore the fact that Jesus himself rejected the tenets of his own religion (hate thine enemy, eye for an eye, etc.), never said anything about homosexuality, rarely was in a church of any kind, except to decry it a den of thieves and its inhabitants hypocrites. He said that to display our religion in public was also hypocrisy, that your government was not the custodian of your soul, that rich people would not enter heaven, that to judge others was the job of God alone...I could go on forever, but the fact is that, like the Bible in general, Jesus had some great ideas and the best intentions, and yet, like the Bible, he's been twisted and bent to fit this self-serving, power and influence seeking social agenda. I read the new testament when I was about 12, because I wanted to know for myself whether he was for real. I was amazed to find that his teaching was really wonderful and enlightening, and was ashamed of the "Christianity" of which I was supposed to be a part. It is, with few exceptions, the wolf in sheep's clothing that Jesus himself warned us about. I truly believe that it's evil.
As for the matter of evolution vs. intelligent design, I make this point to my children: Ask 100 creationists if it's possible that God perhaps does not exist, and 95 of them will tell you that this is NOT possible. Now ask 100 believers in evolution if it's possible that there is a God, and 95 of them will admit that of course it IS possible - we can't call it impossible if it can't be disproven.
Now which 100 people are likely to contribute something reasonable to the debate, and which 100 should be suspect?
Look, you've got it all wrong! You don't NEED to follow ME, You don't NEED to follow ANYBODY! You've got to think for your selves! You're ALL individuals!
-Brian
By: ice-9
Re: Penn and Teller: A Helping Hand
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http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=32529696
Actual episode name: The Bible: Fact or Fiction?
Episode Number: 19
Season Num: 2
First Aired: Thursday May 6, 2004 Prod Code: 211
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=32529696
Actual episode name: The Bible: Fact or Fiction?
Episode Number: 19
Season Num: 2
First Aired: Thursday May 6, 2004 Prod Code: 211
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