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Congressman Ted Poe warns of the dangers of energy saving light bulbs.
Jun 17, 2008 12:10 AM
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Yeah well, it was excellent until the only forms of energy the "Gentleman" from Texas listed were Coal, Oil, and Natural Gas. Let's face it: any Republican rep. from Texas is going to be a mouth-piece for the pollution industry. He's got a point about the drawbacks of energy-saving bulbs, but it's coming from a highly suspect source.
By: EmanResu
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Conservation is an evil word to them. Exploring for more resources to exploit is cash in their pockets.
By: spam_vigilante
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My folks have been using these things for years. When I told my dad - this was about a year ago - that they contained mercury and had to be properly disposed of, he had no idea. He's just been throwing them out with the rest of the rubbish. God knows how many thousands (tens? hundreds?) have ended up on landfills here in the UK.
If the motive behind these things is enviromentalism then why haven't the disposal methods been made clear to everybody for day one? Replacing one form of pollution with another doesn't seem like the way forward to me.
If the motive behind these things is enviromentalism then why haven't the disposal methods been made clear to everybody for day one? Replacing one form of pollution with another doesn't seem like the way forward to me.
By: Blighty
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Wow! Talk about missing the forest for the trees! Did this guy get beyond a 7th grade education? His sarcasm isn't warranted, and is in fact quite disgusting when one considers the real issues involved here. Ones that he oughta know before behaving all righteously in front of congress.
Quantities of carbon kept out of the atmosphere with this one simple, inexpensive, technically feasible change, are in the millions-of-tons. That's ton as in 2000 lbs. And in emissions terms, each ton spreads roughly to a hundred high school gymnasiums in cubic feet.
If importing from China bugs you, mr poe, write a bill to support mfg here. If you know how to write. If the micrograms of mercury in these bulbs bugs you, work toward getting funds to better educate the public about proper disposal--and while you're at it, maybe take note that the toxic metals we irresponsibly discard daily in the form of disposable batteries are in quantities several orders of magnitude above this mercury.
And lastly, why do you mock congress? Making it out to be blameworthy for all that's complicated, and therefore by your suggestion also bad. You are congress! Learn to listen, and get along with your own community there in the House. The people you represent surely would prefer that you learn the issues and make sensible choices, rather than behave like a jackass, following some ill-informed suggestions from a few self-serving know-it-alls back home.
Quantities of carbon kept out of the atmosphere with this one simple, inexpensive, technically feasible change, are in the millions-of-tons. That's ton as in 2000 lbs. And in emissions terms, each ton spreads roughly to a hundred high school gymnasiums in cubic feet.
If importing from China bugs you, mr poe, write a bill to support mfg here. If you know how to write. If the micrograms of mercury in these bulbs bugs you, work toward getting funds to better educate the public about proper disposal--and while you're at it, maybe take note that the toxic metals we irresponsibly discard daily in the form of disposable batteries are in quantities several orders of magnitude above this mercury.
And lastly, why do you mock congress? Making it out to be blameworthy for all that's complicated, and therefore by your suggestion also bad. You are congress! Learn to listen, and get along with your own community there in the House. The people you represent surely would prefer that you learn the issues and make sensible choices, rather than behave like a jackass, following some ill-informed suggestions from a few self-serving know-it-alls back home.
By: bryander
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Your comment is missing the forest for the trees.... Mr. Poe was long winded in his explanation of the dangers of Low Energy Bulbs, but the point of his argument that you missed is that there SHOULDN'T BE regulations set forth by the government that FORCES YOU to only use THOSE LIGHTBULBS!
"Quantities of carbon kept out of the atmosphere with this one simple, inexpensive, technically feasible change, are in the millions-of-tons. That's ton as in 2000 lbs. And in emissions terms, each ton spreads roughly to a hundred high school gymnasiums in cubic feet."
Carbon in the atmosphere is NOT a bad thing. Please, educate yourself on what PLANTS NEED TO GROW AND SURVIVE and what you EXHALE when you BREATH. Carbon is a LIFE-GIVING gas that is everywhere in this planet and this planet NEEDS it to support life. Restricting Carbon by FORCING people to use Low-Energy Bulbs helps to WEAKEN THE PLANET.
Plus, America still kind of has this thing called PERSONAL FREEDOM which allows us the RIGHT to do as we please. Regulating and FORCING people to use a specific lightbulb ONLY is destroying our personal freedoms...
So, now that you're partially educated by reading this post -- are you still FOR removing life giving gas from the atmosphere AND setting personal restrictions on Americans, which is specifically NOT ALLOWED in our Constitution?
"Quantities of carbon kept out of the atmosphere with this one simple, inexpensive, technically feasible change, are in the millions-of-tons. That's ton as in 2000 lbs. And in emissions terms, each ton spreads roughly to a hundred high school gymnasiums in cubic feet."
Carbon in the atmosphere is NOT a bad thing. Please, educate yourself on what PLANTS NEED TO GROW AND SURVIVE and what you EXHALE when you BREATH. Carbon is a LIFE-GIVING gas that is everywhere in this planet and this planet NEEDS it to support life. Restricting Carbon by FORCING people to use Low-Energy Bulbs helps to WEAKEN THE PLANET.
Plus, America still kind of has this thing called PERSONAL FREEDOM which allows us the RIGHT to do as we please. Regulating and FORCING people to use a specific lightbulb ONLY is destroying our personal freedoms...
So, now that you're partially educated by reading this post -- are you still FOR removing life giving gas from the atmosphere AND setting personal restrictions on Americans, which is specifically NOT ALLOWED in our Constitution?
By: chawx
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Wow, if you want to talk about the constitutionality of laws passed by Congress then light bulbs are the least of your worries.
By: maxpower1013
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you're kidding, right? If no, then the answer is Yes, I'm still for removing what you call a life-giving gas now that I'm "partially educated" reading your post.
1st, carbon isn't a gas. Carbon dioxide, aka CO2, is. I refer to carbon itself because it's the origin of the carbon that's significant to my argument, more than the obvious fact that CO2 is the chief green-house warming gas we're concerned with when we talk about carbon.
If the carbon we're talking about is in the form of cellulose in a tree, that's then chopped down and into logs, that we then burn in a fireplace for heat; that's much different than carbon that's in oil or coal that built up from tens of thousands of years of decaying organic matter. I'm not sure I can do the explanation justice in this quick reply, but here's the gist:
CO2 that's emitted from living creatures and natural processes, along with that emanating from the burning of current plants that store it doesn't change the balance much as far as global warming, b/c the capacity of current biota to respirate these gasses tends to balance with the rest of the ecosystem it supports. For example, if we over-utilized a current carbon source, we'd have insufficient food to eat. (We do over-utilize current carbon sources too--by feeding so much of our crops to animals we then eat for appox = qty of protein with none of the fiber and less of the nutrients--but that's another story.) So CO2 and atmospheric temperature affects tend to stay more in check with one-another.
But when we burn ancient carbon, pulled from deep under ground--at least in the large qties as we do now--the amount of CO2 emitted quickly (in geologic terms) supersedes the biosphere/geosphere's capacity to clear it.
The answer is to change our relationship with the stuff in our lives that waste lots of energy. No, not going back to living in caves. But a more decentralized energy grid mostly oriented around photovoltaics (solar) along with other "freebie" energy generation sources that don't muck up the air, diminish human health, nor shift the climate at a rate that kills off the majority of creatures “in the wild” we appreciate as American Frontiersmen.
You are right about something though--the constitution written before the light-bulb existed, doesn’t say congress can decide what kind we ought buy.
1st, carbon isn't a gas. Carbon dioxide, aka CO2, is. I refer to carbon itself because it's the origin of the carbon that's significant to my argument, more than the obvious fact that CO2 is the chief green-house warming gas we're concerned with when we talk about carbon.
If the carbon we're talking about is in the form of cellulose in a tree, that's then chopped down and into logs, that we then burn in a fireplace for heat; that's much different than carbon that's in oil or coal that built up from tens of thousands of years of decaying organic matter. I'm not sure I can do the explanation justice in this quick reply, but here's the gist:
CO2 that's emitted from living creatures and natural processes, along with that emanating from the burning of current plants that store it doesn't change the balance much as far as global warming, b/c the capacity of current biota to respirate these gasses tends to balance with the rest of the ecosystem it supports. For example, if we over-utilized a current carbon source, we'd have insufficient food to eat. (We do over-utilize current carbon sources too--by feeding so much of our crops to animals we then eat for appox = qty of protein with none of the fiber and less of the nutrients--but that's another story.) So CO2 and atmospheric temperature affects tend to stay more in check with one-another.
But when we burn ancient carbon, pulled from deep under ground--at least in the large qties as we do now--the amount of CO2 emitted quickly (in geologic terms) supersedes the biosphere/geosphere's capacity to clear it.
The answer is to change our relationship with the stuff in our lives that waste lots of energy. No, not going back to living in caves. But a more decentralized energy grid mostly oriented around photovoltaics (solar) along with other "freebie" energy generation sources that don't muck up the air, diminish human health, nor shift the climate at a rate that kills off the majority of creatures “in the wild” we appreciate as American Frontiersmen.
You are right about something though--the constitution written before the light-bulb existed, doesn’t say congress can decide what kind we ought buy.
By: bryander
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So that's what fundamentalist homeschooling does to you.
By: Count_Bubba
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Water is a life-giving chemical too, Chawx. Try explaining that to the flood victims along the Missisippi River.
We can try to "WEAKEN THE PLANET" by keeping the Earth's chemistry from becoming inhospitable to human life. Or we can pretend we don't notice the strange new weather patterns and convert more fossil fuels into atmospheric gasses.
And the U.S. Constitution does allow restriction of personal freedom. That's what the Legislative Branch exists for. You can't do whatever you want in America.
We can try to "WEAKEN THE PLANET" by keeping the Earth's chemistry from becoming inhospitable to human life. Or we can pretend we don't notice the strange new weather patterns and convert more fossil fuels into atmospheric gasses.
And the U.S. Constitution does allow restriction of personal freedom. That's what the Legislative Branch exists for. You can't do whatever you want in America.
By: loqi
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I find it kind of interesting that no one has mentioned the connection between the kind of light emitted by most fluorescent bulbs, and skin (and possibly also breast) cancer.
Full spectrum lights remove an awful lot of the problem, but there's still the question of disposal to deal with.
www.nymegaphone.com/?q=node/7
Full spectrum lights remove an awful lot of the problem, but there's still the question of disposal to deal with.
www.nymegaphone.com/?q=node/7
By: redstreets


